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TODAY'S ISSUE
Norcross resident raises questions for Rep. Tom Rice
By Bob Prichard

Special to GwinnettForum.com

(Editor's Note: After Rep. Tom Rice made comments concerning one Gwinnett city, a resident raised some questions for him. Here is that correspondence. -eeb)

SEPT. 2, 2005 -- Representative Rice, I am a Norcross citizen. Specifically, I reside in the city of Norcross proper, in the 30071 zip code that is similar to the actual boundaries of the city, less the industrial area past Buford Highway. I am not a Peachtree Corners resident like you with a "Norcross" postal address.

While this means I am not in your district, we are in a real sense neighbors. Having read your quote in a recent AJC regarding your desire for Peachtree Corners to be established as a city, I have a few questions.

1. As a Representative whose district is "Norcross," do you feel it's appropriate for you to characterize Norcross in a public meeting as being marked by "shootings, rapes, and pillaging," from which you would like to disassociate yourself?

2. Are you aware of the crime rate within the actual city of Norcross, in support of your statement?

3. Have you considered that most crime identified in the AJC as having occurred in "Norcross" actually occurs outside the Norcross city limits (including, in some cases, Peachtree Corners), amounting to misinformation regarding the safety and desirability of the city of Norcross?

4. Do you realize the degree to which you have furthered that misinformation with your public statement?

5. Are you, as a State Representative, doing anything to address the rampant shootings, rapes, and pillaging you feel plague Norcross?

6. Has there really been any "pillaging" anywhere in the postal area designated as "Norcross?"

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Again, I realize that I reside just outside your district, but as we are both "Norcross citizens" and are neighbors, I'm sure you would like to clarify your position, and I eagerly await your response.

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Rep. Rice sent this note to me:

Mr. Prichard: Thank you for your note. I want you to know that I love and enjoy Old Norcross and Mayor Webb is probably one of the best in the country.

When I was speaking of "Norcross" it was with reference to the postal zone coverage of Norcross and not the city. That was made clear later in the meeting.

I really do believe that the generic "Norcross," datelined in so many AJC articles relating accounts of felonious activity, is detrimental to property values in the Peachtree Corners area I represent. Therefore, having our own identity is important to most of the residents.

Your questions with regard to what we have done about the problems faced by "Norcross" are right on mark. Since I have been in the legislature we have passed tough street gangs bills along with anti graffiti bills and toughened felony penalties. I personally have worked with the UNITE effort in our area to involve churches in addressing youth violence. I support the Jimmy Carter CID and redevelopment efforts aimed at reinvigorating the neighborhoods.

It is a tough job to even attempt to deal with whole neighborhoods where demographic changes have allowed a deterioration in quality of life. To the extent the law can change to effect better solutions, we would like to do it. If you have any suggestions they would be welcome.

Please forgive me if my comments stirred your ire.

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Representative Rice, I appreciate your taking the time to respond. Still, your comments were irresponsibly over-the-top, thoughtlessly demeaning of your neighbors, and unnecessarily inflammatory.

It is ironic that you claim to "hate to read about the shootings and the rapes and the pillage," when your public proclamation, with the press present, ensured that people the next day would read exactly that, courtesy of a State Representative no less.

If you truly love and enjoy Norcross, please refrain from publicly damning it. One of the biggest challenges we face, as you acknowledge, is public perception, which many of us are working hard to correct. You have succeeded in setting us back substantially.


ELLIOTT BRACK
Former local banker now in Florida talks of hurricanes

By Elliott Brack
Editor and Publisher
GwinnettForum.com

SEPT. 2, 2005 -- Hurricane Katrina has been the focus of many of us lately, even though the Gwinnett area is not drastically affected as are many people. We've been overwhelmed with the television reporting, though often feeling the repetition of the news over and over. The next morning's newspaper report is far more complete, usually, and adds more perspective to what we've seen on television. And then we've had the added input from the internet.

Former Flowery Branch (on Lake Lanier) residents Bonnie and Don McEnery live in Niceville, Fla., on the bay. He was a banker in Gwinnett. Though his area was not hit by Katrina directly, still it was on the more dangerous east side of the storm. We asked him how it was during the storm, and got from him this reply in sketch form.

"Our damage in Niceville truly pales when we assess it. We lost our pier again, had seawall damage and bayside lawn erosion, along with minor roof problems. We are not whining about it and feel very lucky to have come through in pretty good shape. Ivan and Dennis took their tolls on us earlier and it looked for awhile like Katrina was headed right for us

"We live on the north side of the bay (Choctawhatchee) with winds as high as 70-90 mph. Winds started out of the southeast then switched to the south (moving north). We had about five inches of rain and the bay over-ran the seawall and came up into the lot next door about 35 feet. We never heard a storm surge height for our side of the bay.

"Our seawall and retaining wall kept the tides from coming onto our property. The winds and rain continued into the night on Monday and finally slacked off in the wee hours. Monday morning it was almost dark (at 10 a.m. or so), with the cloud ceiling seemed to be touching the bay. I stood in our living room and watched our pier break up and come apart. We are 55 feet from the water. The waves were hitting our seawall and drenching the bayside of our home (a stinging, hurting spray).

"We are not replacing our pier this time. We've been down here five years and built/rebuilt the pier five times. I'm waving the white flag this time.

"A local plumber and longtime resident was over doing some work for us. About the storms, he kinda laughed, and said 'All you folks move down here to the coast/water and all us natives have spent a lifetime trying to get off this damn water.'

"Unless you live on the bay, Niceville proper looks the same. Over on the beach (Destin- Fort Walton Beach) they are dealing with severe erosion and many of the streets were closed. Some homes are leaning, in that we just took a hit from Dennis in July, etc.

"We are starting to see a lot of 'For Sale' signs over on the Gulf side. Yes, there are some bargains to be had, if you can stand the stress, strain and expense, etc.

"We locally really did dodge a bullet this time. The worrisome thing is that the hurricane season still has three months to run. I must tell you, we watch the Weather Channel more than any other channel since moving to Florida five years ago."

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Thanks, Don, for an eyewitness view of the storm. We tend to agree. That pier seems to be in harm's way every time. Re-building to be destroyed again may not be the right move.

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Be alert to scams concerning Hurricane Katrina

This from a friend: It hasn't taken long for criminals to try to take advantage of the sympathy all of us feel toward the victims of Hurricane Katrina. There are already 'phishing' e-mails pretending to be solicitations from the Red Cross that have links embedded in them that will take you to a fake Red Cross Web site. Do not respond to any e-mail soliciting donations from the Red Cross or other organizations. Go directly to their Web site or call them to make donations. If you receive one of these e-mails, please e-mail the information to the Red Cross.


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McLEMORE'S WORLD
Hurricane Katrina

Another great cartoon from Bill McLemore:



FEEDBACK
9/2: One benefit could have had an affirmative effect

Editor, the Forum:

Just learned something new - didn't know you were from Macon! I spent 12 delightful years just north of there (Forsyth) in an old farm house in the country. It's where Tom and I raised the kids, for the most part.

Your story on Jim Parker suggests to me that an argument could be made that a benefit of "affirmative action" policies for admission at our universities (which they often don't get by with) attempts to ensure that talent stays within the state. When black students (and other minorities) go out of state to college (because they missed out in some "perceived sense of fairness" in admission criteria), most likely those students don't come back to their home state. This topic was always fun to bring up in state and local government class to get students talking about college admission policies.

-- Pat Mitchell, West Jefferson, N.C.


9/2: Interesting absence of outrage on the part of people

Editor, the Forum;

Over the last few months the Atlanta Journal-Constitution has waged a continued attack against the Gwinnett County Commission and School Board over their methods for acquiring property. The state attorney general recently joined the fray with an opinion that Gwinnett's land acquisition process violates the state open meeting law.

The absence of outrage from our citizens would seem to indicate the influence of the AJC is limited within our county. Perhaps the AJC would find a more receptive audience if it turned its attention to the problems with the Atlanta schools, infrastructure, deteriorating airport, or any of the myriad of "inside the perimeter" issues.

Secondly, I do not see the Attorney General rushing to file suit against either the School Board or Commission on behalf of the state's citizens. Wouldn't that be the appropriate action if he had faith in his own opinion?

Our School Board members and County Commissioners have been elected to spend our tax dollars wisely. I doubt they would knowingly violate state statutes. Could it be that they and their attorneys believe they are in compliance with the open meeting statutes? Could it be that they actually are?

Finally I think these issues serve as an important reminder to all of us. The United States is not a democracy but rather a republic. The people do not get to make the decisions, they get to elect their representatives who make the decisions.

I believe it's time to let our Board and Commission do just that and if we are not satisfied with those decisions, then let's elect new representatives.

-- Patrick Malone, Snellville


9/2: There's a reason for Southerners to commute more in cars

Editor, the Forum:

I just heard a story on NPR news to the effect that Southerners spend more time commuting and spend more money on gasoline.

This is due to the fact that their development plans emphasize pavement and do not generally include any kind of public transit (including commuter rail.)

They also came to the (obvious) conclusion that Southerners are paying the price, both literally and figuratively, for their choices.

-- Bob Hanson, Loganville

REVIEW

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GEORGIA TIDBIT
9/2: George Walton served State of Georgia in many capacities

(Second of a series about signers of the Declaration of Independence from Georgia.)

George Walton was one of three Georgians to sign the Declaration of Independence. He served in numerous capacities for the state of Georgia after the American Revolution.

The exact year of Walton's birth is unknown; it is believed that he was born in 1749 in Virginia. In 1769 he moved to Savannah, where he pursued a legal career. By the eve of the American Revolution he was one of the most successful lawyers in Georgia. Active in Georgia's Revolutionary government, he was elected to the Provincial Congress and then became president of the Council of Safety in 1775. In 1776 he served as a delegate to the Second Continental Congress in Philadelphia, where on July 4 he signed the Declaration (along with Button Gwinnett and Lyman Hall of Georgia).

Returning to Savannah, Walton was captured during the 1778 British assault on the city, led by Archibald Campbell. After his exchange he returned to Georgia and was elected governor in 1779, having switched allegiances from the conservative to the radical faction. He served for two controversial months before reelection to Congress.

After the Revolution Walton served as chief justice of Georgia, as a delegate to the state constitutional convention in 1788 that ratified the new federal constitution, as a presidential elector in 1789, as governor that same year, as U.S. senator (appointed by the legislature when James Jackson stepped down to fight the Yazoo Land Act), and as a justice of the state superior court. He eventually retired in the 1780s to his Augusta home, where he died on February 2, 1804. Walton is buried in Augusta. Walton County is named for him.

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Number 5.45, Sept. 2, 2005

TODAY'S ISSUE: Rep. Rice Raises Ire City of Norcross Resident
ELLIOTT BRACK:
Former Gwinnett Banker Finds Hurricanes Wear on You
McLEMORE'S WORLD: Hurricane Katrina
FEEDBACK: Affirmative Action; No Outrage Found; and Driving More

GEORGIA TIDBIT: Remembering Another Georgia Signer, George Walton
TODAY'S QUOTE: Before Frowning, Consider Another Possibility

DAYS GONE BY. The recent spike in gasoline prices recalls days when the supply of gasoline and oils was never questioned. These were far less complicated days, since as this scene from 1932. Who can identify this Texaco dealer, Brogdon Fuel Company, which also sold (as the sign says) Dry Goods and Groceries?


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"Before you put on a frown, make absolutely sure there are no smiles available."

-- Author Jim Beggs via Cindy Evans, Duluth

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